Creating a Space for Creativity and Inspiration with Cara Newhart

I know I find this like one Pinterest and I see these gorgeous office spaces on Pinterest and just like how well, that's how it's supposed to look. Reality is. Nope. I mean, very few people have that, you know, gorgeous, like big desk in the middle of a room with a whole yard just with nothing else like to share.


Exactly. Yes. So I love that. OK. Function of to find a balance between those two.


Hey, friends, and welcome to the Girl Means Business podcast, I'm your host, Kendra Swarns, a photographer and educator on a mission to help you find your passion, power and purpose through entrepreneurship. So let's jump right into today's episode, because this girl means business. Hey, guys. And welcome back to another episode of the Girl Means Business podcast. This week, the podcast turns one year old.


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But in light of everything that's going on in our world and just the chaos that is around us right now, I wanted to kind of pivot and spend the next couple of episodes giving you content that I think can be really useful to what's going on in our world right now. And so I've been chatting with some amazing women who have been open to the idea of changing what we originally planned to talk about, to focus on things that are going to be beneficial to you in this moment.


And then we'll definitely get back to the other episodes we had planned in the future. But I want you to know that I want this to be a show that you listen to and feel like you can get value from right away. And so that's the reason behind the decision to kind of change up the order of things that we're gonna be sharing. Can the show and we're starting today with a really, really fun episode where I'm talking with Kara Newhart.


She's the owner of Never Skip Brunch dot com, which is the coolest name and make space podcast. So she is a DIY home design guru out of Houston, Texas.


And we chatted all about how to create a space that allows you to feel inspired and allows you to be creative. A lot of us are finding ourselves working from home these days. And whether that means you're running your business from home or you are working your 9:00 to 5:00 and then trying to do your side hustle at home now as well.


It's a lot and it's a lot when you've got the kids home and your spouse may be home with you or maybe you're just feeling an inspired because you're by yourself somewhere in an apartment or a home and you don't have anybody else with you. And you're feeling really isolated and that can make it hard to feel inspired as well. So when I decided to chat with Kara, we wanted to talk about how we can use the space that we have to design and create something that gets you excited about sitting down and going to work every day, even if you're in your pajamas in a corner of your bedroom, or maybe you have an entire space that's yours in your house.


I want to have her share with us some tips on how we can utilize this time to really create a space that's our own. So I'm really excited.


I can't wait for you to hear my interview with Kara. So here we go. Hey, guys, really quick, before we get into my interview with Kara, I want to tell you about a really exciting opportunity I have for you. A few weeks ago, I was able to host an in-person workshop here, the Dallas-Fort Worth area called Building Your Brand. And the response from that was so wonderful and so great that I wanted to take that same workshop idea and bring it to you in a virtual way.


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Hi, guys. I am here with Care, a new heart of the Make Space podcast and never skip brunch website. And we are talking today all about creating a space for creativity. So, Carol, welcome to the Goldmans Business podcast. Thank you so much for being here.


Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. I'm so pumped to be here. Yeah, I'm really excited to dive into this idea today in this topic. But I want to first have you tell your story. So share with us a little bit about who you are, what you do and your journey to get here. Yeah.


So I think as with many creatives, my story is very windy. But I'll try to keep it brief. So growing up, I was always creative. My mom was a kindergarten teacher. I explain her to people as Pinterest. If Pinterest was a person, it would be my mother. So that's super crafty on one side. And then my dad was a contractor. So in high school, like, well, all my other friends had these fun retail jobs with like perky discounts.


I was like installing electrical outlets, crawling around in attics, learning to use power tools. So making was always a part of my life growing up. And then towards college, my dad kind of pushed me more towards business. So I ended up majoring in business going into corporate oil and gas, which was just not a fit for me, but definitely put making and creativity kind of to the side while I tried to pursue that career ended up like kind of burning out, becoming a fashion blogger for a while, which is very, very funny.


Total opposite direction up. But I needed like an outlet. I needed to like get in touch with that creativity again and slowly started adding like lifestyle and eventually home stuff to my blog or working with brands on collaborations. And then it just kind of became apparent that like my followers wanted DIY and home stuff, they wanted to learn how to do this Hands-On being creative. And so now I'm in this really cool space where I get to empower women to DIY, use power tools, dive in, do it big, see?


It's been a really cool journey and I love what I do every day and I love it that you're kind of combining like what your parents both instilled in you and what you're doing, because it's so fun to me when you can see how like someone's background feeds into what they're doing now, because it's those little things along the way that you're like, oh, that's just something my dad taught me or something my mom had. And you just see it kind of manifest this really cool way.


I absolutely love that. And you have a daughter now, too. Right? Yep. Like if she had that crafty bug, too. Absolutely.


She's like loves painting, like literally went to pick her up from daycare one day and she's like crying because you wanted to stay and paint. So I went back home like answered emails. She could be like.


Loves it so much so. Oh, I love that. I I love being. I mean, obviously, a lot of people listening to the show are obviously creative because we all are kind of in a creative industry or we are doing something that we're passionate about that we love. Right. But I think it's so fun. Like I come from a family that has a lot of artists to my family and people who love to just be creative in general, whether it's through photography or other mediums, painting, glass work, all this kind of stuff.


So I'm a big fan of anyone who does anything that's very crafty and Hands-On. I wish I was better at it, but.


Hmm. OK. It's OK.


It's a journey. Two years ago, I was terrified to use a song like would play in all my projects so that Home Depot could cut the wood. And I just have to scrape together. And so. Yeah. It's it's a journey for sure. Like you don't get good overnight.


Yeah. So along with the idea of your journey, so you started the Web site is kind of like a fashion blog. You said it, it evolved from there. So now you do pretty much all DIY home decor kind of stuff. And then you have the podcast as well. So how did. Tell me how the podcast came about and what you talked about on there? Sure.


So the Web site is very like Hands-On tutorial, like here's the projects, here's the room reveals. Here's like step by step. If you want to dive in and make it, here's how to do that. And then I kind of found that there's a lot of women that aren't really ready for that yet. There's a lot of like mindset stuff in like design strategy and ways to think about our house that we needed to talk about. So the podcast is kind of my outlet to be able to sit down with experts and talk about like design advice, but also kind of those mindset shifts and like encouraging women and empowering them before they're even going to touch a tool.


And like, you know, dive in and try to DIY. Awesome.


That's so fun. So I will tell you a little bit, just kind of a backup. So you know a little bit about where I'm coming from on the opposite end. I love watching like HGTV. I love watching DIY channel. I love watching all of that stuff. When it comes to actually putting it into action in my home, I'm the worst. So we built our house in 2013. So we've been here for almost eight years, seven years.


And it took me until about three years ago to put anything on our walls, because I have like the sphere of, I don't know, commitment when it comes into it.


And I don't have the best like vision for how to map it all out. So I wanted. Get into that a little bit today and how it applies to women who run a business from home, because I know a lot of people listening are especially now with everything that's going on in the world, a lot of us are finding ourselves working at home. And we may have realized that our home is not the most conducive space for inspiring us and getting us to be creative.


So I want to kind of get into that a little bit today. And so let's just start with the idea of like I work from home space. So for me, it's the guestroom in our house where I have my desktop computer set up. I have all my recording stuff here. I got, you know, all my things that I need around me. And then, of course, I have my laptop that can kind of go wherever and I'll find myself on the kitchen counter or the couch or in our bedroom or river.


But this is kind of my home base would be like this office area. And it's not exactly the most exciting space to be.


So tell us a little tell us some tips you might have or some advice you have for creating that space in that little corner of the house that you have.


Yeah, I feel that so much because this is actually something I get all the time where women have either like started on Pinterest, you know, and found an input image and tried to recreate that. And it doesn't go right or you just kind of wander around HomeGoods and collect like all these random items that don't really go together. And you love all of them independently, but there's no cohesiveness in your space. So, yeah, I design spaces a little bit backwards, but I think it's like the best approach for DIY design.


So instead of thinking of like, what do I want this to look like? Because that's a hard place to start. First you start with function like what am I doing in the space? So I would tell you to sit down, make a list of all the activities and kind of rank them in order of importance. So like if you're in a guest room, obviously your guests are going to be sitting in there at some point, but not all the time.


So that's going to be lower on your list than like daily. I'm sitting at the desk, I'm doing work, recording podcasts, whatever it is. So you sit down and you do all of your like list of activities that's going to give you like what the space needs to function as. So from there then you move into like the furniture stuff so you can start making decisions about, okay, let's measure and let's draw out a floor plan and see like how things are gonna fit in the space.


And then you can start making furniture decisions. And then the next part is how do I want the space to feel? So this is when you bring in all the other design stuff like paint colors and art and accessories and all of that. And that's when you turn to Pinterest, because now you have a clear idea of like, I know what I need to be doing in the space and know what kind of like furniture elements in floor layout. I need to make this space function.


So now, like, OK, with that in mind, I have something to go off of. I'm not just looking at it as a blank box that like how do I fill this and what should it look like? You know, you have like a reference point and it's like designing for your own life. Like good design really does have that balance between function and beautiful like no one wants purely functional because that's so boring. But like, you know, if you go too far to the other side and it's just pretty and it doesn't work for you, like you have to start with you and like how you're using the space.


So that's my best strategy for DIY interior design, especially when it comes to a workspace, because a lot of areas I feel like for us a lot of work from home areas can be that dual function area. You know, there's not a lot of people that have like a dedicated office. Sometimes you're sharing, sometimes it's like half playroom, half guestroom, whatever it is. So you really do have to be more strategic, you think?


Yeah. No, I love that. I was jotting down notes as you were talking, because I guess I'm going to apply all of this to my own space here because. For months I've been thinking like, I want to make this feel because we do. I mean, it's very rare that we have guests staying in our house. And a lot of times, like the guest room is used. Maybe a handful of times a year. And I was telling you before we started, you know, it's a Murphy bed, so it folds up into the wall where it looks like we have a cabinet there and stuff.


Exactly. But the rest of the room is just kind of been like a leftover space. Like it's just kind of that space where we just sort of put things that we didn't have a home for. And now that I'm starting to record a little bit more and do some video, I'm realizing like I need to use lighting a little more. Like I have this giant window behind me that I'm not really utilizing the light from because of the way my desk is situated.


So maybe I need to figure out a way to rearrange that. And so I like the idea of looking at function first and then going into how you want it to feel. Because I think, yeah, you're right. A likable go the other way around. And then they create this beautiful space or I know I've fallen into this. I go on Pinterest and I see these gorgeous office spaces on Pinterest just like, oh, that's how it's supposed to look, right?


Reality is, no, I mean, very few people have that, you know, gorgeous, like big desk in the middle of a room with a whole yard just with nothing else.


Like to get there. Exactly. Yes. So I love that. Okay. Function and field and find a balance between. 2 So you mentioned like HomeGoods and things like that, so as far as finding these things, so let's say you that someone has sat down and said, OK, I've kind of mapped out my space. I know what I'm looking for. But of course, obviously working on our own, running our own business, a lot of us are on a budget.


What are those places that you recommend? Fine people finding these items now that they have an idea of what they want to put into their space? Yeah, absolutely.


So HomeGoods is a go to target to go to all those like T.J., Max, all that are great places to shop. And the only time you go wrong is when you're just kind of buying something because it's cute. So going in with the plan is your best strategy. So like I would start with the color palette in the way too. Like my hack for building a color palette when you don't know what your start is, to find an item that has a pattern that you love the colors.


And because a designer has literally designed that pattern and it's like they did the work for you. So now you can either color match like get paint swatches and match them or literally bring it into like Home Depot and have them scan. They can scan and color match for you, which is amazing. So then you have this palette that you're kind of pulling out of, whether that's a rug or a throw pillow or any kind of pattern.


And then I would make a swatch book. So like a literal notebook of like your color, like chips. And then also like any fabrics you have in the room, like throw pillows or if you have a swatch from your couch or your chair, and then that stays with you when you're shopping for any kind of home decor. So you're bringing that into the store with you and you're like looking at things. It can be hard a little bit depending on lighting to perfectly match, but also know that like you don't have to match match like if you have a coral.


You don't need that exact coral pillow. You can kind of go in a range of corals. And as long as they all kind of tie together and they have that same hue, like it's going to look amazing. So that's why this thing is go in with a plan and give yourself a reference points. You're not just wandering around like, oh, that looks cute. And that looks cute. And I like that.


But like, they don't really go together necessarily. And then Mood Board always like having a mood board. I use a software called Cannava, which is free love. Can I just kind of. Yeah. Make this blink. And I'm sure people use this for work too. A lot of us. Yeah. Just pull in images of all the different items you've bought for your room and as you buy something new and add to it, just having that like having the app on your phone or screen shotting the mood board of all the things like you'll be able to hold that up and hold the item up and be like does this fit the stuff I've already picked?


Like that's the best thing is we're building up from making a decision. Like deciding on a rug. Deciding on a palette. And then every other thing we choose builds off of that. So you have a reference point and it's not just like I don't know, I like it, but does it fit like that?


Yeah. Because I feel like I'm the one wandering around. You know, T.J., Max or HomeGoods or even, like you said, Target or Hobby Lobby. And I'm the one walking around being like, oh, that's cute. Let's put that in a basket and then get home. What was I thinking?


Yeah. Where is this going to go? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I had no vision for it. Like. Right. Yeah. No. I love the idea of the mood board, not cameras sent from the heavens. So I am a big fan of karma and I hadn't thought of that. I'm actually like putting that much effort towards designing the space because I just like I kind of just threw my stuff in here and have been working with it.


But I like the idea of actually going through and figuring out what colors make me feel happy, what colors make me, you know, get excited about what I'm doing and. Yeah. And I think IKEA is another good one, too, that probably has some good ideas. So, yes, I think it contributes for a lot of people.


I think it is it is a little bit of effort like that's what I need. We need to like recognizes like it's not something that you just throw together. It takes time. It takes strategy, it takes effort. And if you're busy, it's something you're gonna have to dedicate time to. But I would just say, like, it's so worth it having that space that like feels like you feels like inspiring. It's going to help you feel better.


It's gonna help your, like, mental health. It's gonna help you work better. I know that I work better creatively in a space that I feel inspired in. And I think for a lot of us doing creative work, like think of it as an investment, like building this space is going to make you a better maker, a better creative, whatever it is that you do. So think of it that way versus like, oh, this is a lot of work and I don't really enjoy home decor, so I don't want to do it kind of thing.


Yeah, no, I like you mentioned that on your podcast you get into sort of the mindset of, you know, the whole creative process behind decorating and so. Yeah. What does that do? Like, for example, if you have someone that goes in to just sort of a corner of their bedroom where they have a table set up versus working in a space they design for themselves. Is there something mentally that like is different there that helps us?


Yeah, I absolutely think. I think like that intentionality is just kind of lays the foundation for you to take yourself and your work more seriously, which is something that I've worked through, like as my job started out as a side hustle and it was like, you know, you have to find a balance between your day job and your night job. And, you know, whether that's for you being a mom and also doing this like whatever that looks like for listeners.


I think it's so important to like have that level of seriousness and that full of intention to like invest in yourself. And so creating a space, a dedicated space is like a practical hands on way. You can do that. And it's a good visual reminder that like I'm taking this seriously and I'm this is my workspace. This is my work time. And this is a place for me like kind of thing. So, yeah, I know for me it's helps like having the ability to go into a room and close the door because I mean when I have to do it for a recording, these episodes and things also just that that visual reminder to my family that like this is my work time and my workspace and respect the space that we have in here.


And I know even if you can't have like a physical barrier to your space having something like I remember when I was teaching, there was a teacher. We had those, I think kindergarten or first grade. And she would have this like really cute old tiara crown that she'd made. And anytime she was working in a small group with kids or she was doing something that she couldn't be to, she would put the crown on. And that was her assigned to her kids, the rest the kids in her class.


That when I'm wearing this crown, you don't interrupt me. You can come stand and wait for me to address you, but you can't just come address me. And I was like, that's so smart and nice to what you're doing now, especially those of us with little ones at home who don't understand, you know, work time versus playtime.


Right. Right.


So I have another question for you. That's again, another kind of selfish question, because this is the situation I have in our house, which is my husband. I kind of share the office space so he doesn't work from home. But when he is home, this is where his laptop stays. This is where his work computer comes. When he does work from home, if he is working from home today, that he comes in here, makes calls as well.


So how can you balance having kind of a shared workspace, whether it's you both work from home or it's a shared workspace that you share with someone else, your family, or it's where your kids are doing their homework at night? Is there a good way to balance all that? Yeah. So strategy number one would be like, if possible, try to have like two separate areas, like two desks. That's just an easy way to partition, like one room to be dual purpose.


Obviously, that's not like feasible for everyone. So the second option is to think of like dual function things like how can we create storage or create a way to like hide away one person's things when it's time for the other person to use the space, like whether that's a basket or a bin or a desk with two sides and maybe one side's yours, one side's his. So think of like dual function ways to where we have one set up, but we're using it for two people.


But I think that's important because then it can really feel like years, like it doesn't have to feel like a shared space where like his stuff is all over because I know it. Like if me and my husband shared a desk, it would be like, OK, you need to put all this that's going on the floor space for me. So that's a hard balance. But yeah. And it I guess it helps if you have similar tastes, but there's obviously going to be some level of compromise too.


And so I think it's important to have that conversation like what do we both need most out of this space? And like maybe what are some ways that we can make sure we're getting what we need and make sure that not even that you have to compromise, but that you can kind of collaborate and create a room that works for both of you?


Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. I always used to say, like having separate sinks in the bathroom was what saves marriages. And I think the same thing kind of goes for agree this too. Like you need to have your own space or it's going to cause a shift. Yeah, sure. So true. So what advice do you have for people who are like, okay, I don't have an entire guestroom I can devote to turning into an office or no, I'm using a little corner of our playroom or I'm using like the corner of our breakfast nook area.


What do you what tips do you have for small spaces that you can still create a space that feels inspiring? Yeah. So number one is go back to that multi-functional thing. I think if you look at a lot of like small apartments are really, really tiny, like a tiny New York apartment. There's stuff that like folds away when you're not using it, like a table that folds down or bed falls away. So thinking of like how can things work kind of that way?


But also like the other tip for small spaces is to think vertically. Like if you're in literally just a tiny like two by two corner or three foot by three foot corner, there's a lot of space upwards. So whether that's like shelves or other kind of organization solutions, you have a lot of running room there. So like think up. Don't just think about like where you're sitting. Like, how can you use that space vertically for storing things you need or even decorating like that's.


Yeah, probably the two best tips. It's multi-functional and then think upwards.


I like it if he approaches. I tend to forget about that. Like even in the office space that I have, I'm like, oh, I could use more shelves so I could do this. Yeah. And that's when things like glee about the idea of IKEA. It's always so fun for me to walk through like IKEA, like dorm rooms section or even like the small apartment sections because they they have so many genius ideas for how to like. Exactly type purpose an item.


It's crazy. I love how it's so such good Ensco. Yeah, well I like it too.


It's not just like a Pinterest photo, but you can actually like touch things and see how they work. And even if it's like, oh, I like this idea, I'm going to DIY a version of it in my house with like maybe I don't want it plastic, maybe I want it would, but like being able to touch it in like have that hands on. Inspiration is like a different level than just like. That's cute.


But like, how would that work. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's Pinterest come to life. It's hard to say. Luckily the one closest to me is like forty five minutes away. So it might all be really bad if I lived even closer to it. So let's take the idea of the office space and kind of expand it into the rest of the house. So getting out the idea of just necessarily having a space for creativity when it comes to work, but just decorating your house or making your house feel like it's a place that's I know for me the balance is a place that feels homey and lived in versus a place that I come home to and feel excited about.


So what kind of tips do you have, especially for those of us with young kids? I know you're in that same boat, too, where its function meets. I guess attractiveness. That's something we're looking at. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.


So number one tip is like be efficient about storage and like invest in cute storage. Like you could get a plastic pin for things or you could get like a cute like even target has like cute like wooden baskets or woven baskets, whatever. But anytime you can have storage that hides things like I'm talking about like a basket with no holes. So we can throw the stuff in, stash it and it looks clean. Like that's the stage of life you're in.


In with young kids. I think you have to embrace that and know that like, you know, it's not gonna be beautiful all the time, but it still can look organized and polished. It doesn't have to look like a playroom. And so that's kind of the balance I've found is like finding storage solutions that look really chic and that are easy to like, stow away, pick it up, clean it up. It's not gonna be perfectly organized, but it is going to look organized in the sense that like I have that level of I can relax and I'm not like looking at a mess ever heard in my house.


And then, yeah, just going back to that function before aesthetics. Like, what do we need this room to do and then how can we do that in a way that is going to be beautiful, like whether that's furniture in it with little kids, that's hard because it's like, you know, investment pieces. You can't a lot of times you aren't just buying pieces. It's like this is my five year table. Yeah, till the children destroy it.


And then we're going to buy like a nice one. That's why I like Target, IKEA, all that kind of stuff, because there's options for making things look good on a budget. You don't have to spend a bunch of money or bison duper nice that's gonna be destroyed. But yeah, adding storage is my number one and then thinking about like what do you really want out of the space? And then I would say like this is obviously depends a lot on like your parenting style lifestyles, like if you let your children into the bed at night.


But my goal for my bedroom is that it's kind of my haven.


Like if there's no other space, every other space is shared in your house, try to like make yourself a space that's just for you. Maybe that's your bathroom. Like maybe you take bubble bath, maybe it's your bedroom because like my daughter, she stays in her own room or bedrooms like, ah, space. You find whatever that is for you. Maybe it's literally just a chair that your children are.


But whatever it is like, you need something that's yours that's like an adult area, because otherwise it's hard to just feel like you're living. Living. A parenting zone all the time. I've actually used those words on my children recently where I said, like, I need one spot in this house that is mine that you have not invaded. Yes. And especially being at home so much right now, like there is sometimes when I am like working in the office and I kind of give them free rein and then I come out and they've been in my room and there are like Barbies and frozen toys and all.


And I'm like, there's the nights where my husband I crawled to bed and we'll find like a random doll or like a doll's hairbrush in our bed. I'm like, what is happening to our lives? What is happening? Yeah, it's also it's a phase.


And I know I recently went to there's a new wedding venue that's opening up not far from me. And the owners live on the property where they're building the venue and the house they live in, as is gorgeous, just beautiful, beautifully decorated. The mom, the daughter, both have this vision. That's just unbelievable. It's very kind of farmhouse, but very not even modern. Just just really well-put together. It doesn't feel overly farmhouse, though, you know.


But I'm going there. I was doing a photoshoot for them and looking around the oh, my gosh, this is so beautiful. Like, I love the textures, I love the colors, I love the details. But I'm like, I'm going. They also don't have young children. And so I have to remind myself that this is just a phase of life. And if our house doesn't look the way that I envisioned my Pinterest version of my house looking, there will come a day when I can do those things.


But you're right. Like right now, it needs to be the target and IKEA type furniture and those kinds of things. It's okay if it's, you know, like our our dining room table is one that we do art projects on it. And we do, you know, we eat dinner on all these things. I'm like, it's OK if it gets a little bit of scuffs on it. It's okay if there's marker on underneath it because it's fine.


Look, that's just the phase of life that we're in. Exactly. Try to remind myself of that as often as possible.


That's such a huge thing with like interior designers, because for a lot of people, I think they think it's like I'm going to finish this room. Like I'm going to decorate. It's gonna be done. Like there's no such thing as that. As the seasons of life change, like your design styles, change your needs, change the function of the space changes. So like embracing design is more of a journey and more of like phases of life. And what's working now and what am I loving right now.


That's such a better way to do it than like this. You're never going to be done and you're going to feel like, oh, this room, you know, it's not my dream room. It's not done like it's never done. So, yeah, I used to that. That's very freeing because I think that is part of. For someone like me who is not necessarily design minded. And I mentioned to you before we start recording, you know, we lived in this house for however many years and we're just not putting things on the wall.


But I I think because for me, it feels so permanent, it's almost like, okay, if I'm going to paint this room and I'm going to paint it, you know, one of my daughters, her room is like a turquoise. He blew it. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna paint this turquoise. He blew it. Could be that color for ever. It's just paint. And I have to remind myself, like when I was a kid, I painted my room a dozen different times and we.


Yeah, I need to get out of that mindset of like it's a permanent thing. And there are so many options now where you can go, like you said, like Target and HomeGoods and what's the one we have your at home that have really affordable options. And so you can find things that you can replace in a year or two and not feel like you are really seeing this like super expensive airline type item.


Exactly. Yeah, there's definitely a time to, like, splurge and invest and have stuff that sticks around forever. And it's timeless. But like like, for example, if you're doing like a brick wall or like an accent wall with wood, that's a lot like a lot to get it up there. You're probably not going to rip that down, but. Yeah, right. When it's paint or art accessories, like just give yourself permission to go all out because then your home is going to feel like, yeah.


Finished and lived in and like braided versus it feeling like you don't live there yet or like it's not done yet.


That was something that I struggled with when we bought our first house because we kind of knew it wouldn't be our forever home. We were living in Denver at the time. It was like a a smaller house that we knew we wouldn't stay in forever. And I didn't hang art up on half the walls until we moved in.


It was time to stage the house and then it kind of clicked for me like, I'm never doing this again. Next time I'm just going to put the art up because like, you can always change it later. But at least it's like has some personality and feels loved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Because it's sad when like because I had that same thing when I sold the first house I ever owned and I was leery to sell it. And my realtor came in and she was helping me stage it and I had never hung a single thing on our wall. I had pictures on shelves and stuff, but I hadn't hung anything on a wall. And she was like, we need to put up some, you know, she brought in like all of her staging stuff.


And I was like, how sad is this that I've waited and time letting somebody else into this house to make it feel like to me. You know, and that's such a true, true thing like we need. That this is the house we're living in. It needs to be the one that we come home and feel really excited about. So I'm definitely not because I've been taking notes. It's all down on me. OK. I mean, my poor husband and I got to this meeting.


He's right. You mean like what just happened?


But I'm I'm really sorry. I certainly hear looking at my walls and thinking, OK, what can I do in this office space to make it go more creative and exciting and inspiring? So, yeah, I love that so much. Well, this was so good. OK. So the last question I was asking and I'll have a on where people can find you, but if your best friend came to you today and said, OK, Kara, I'm starting this business, I'm really excited about it, but I need to know what to do.


What would be like your number one piece of advice that you would give to her? Yeah. Number one, make sure it lines up with your passions. This is a lesson I learned the hard way by becoming a fashion blogger. It's like I really wasn't that passionate about sharing outfits. Like, honestly, it was fun, but yet not deeply passionate.


And then number two, like learn how to tell your story because storytelling is like how? First of all, how you sell things without feeling slimy, how you connect with people, how you can really like teach in influence and inspire people. So whatever piece of your story like ties into like why you started the business or the mission behind it or whatever it is, those two things need to come before anything else you do. Like any product has made, any service is offered, any client is like signed on a contract.


So really like learning. That's where I like going to business. School was never really taught that. Like if you didn't have to find what you're passionate about at all, it was like numbers, numbers, numbers, strategies like. So I started my businesses backwards. And because of that I learned the hard way. Like had a whole T-shirt company that just didn't work out well, clearly went on a winding path.


And I've learned so many lessons, but I think you can start with that then. Yeah, you'll save yourself time for sure. A side note. Have you read Donald Millar's? Building a Story brand? No, but I need to. I mean, it was it so. It's probably one of it. I would say it's probably my top number one business book that I've read. And it's exactly what you're saying. It's all about the fact that, like, story drives so much of our business.


And the fact that you're not only telling your story, but you're helping to be part of your client's story and the role that you play in their story. It's so stinking. You need to go read it. I think raising it would fit right in with kind of what you're saying, that, you know, as you're like you're why behind things? Yeah.


I'm going to bump it up to one. I'm going to read them next. Yes. It's so, so good. Well, good. Thank you. Care so much for taking your time to do this. Let me know where they can find you about your podcast, your Web site, any social media that you have where they follow along with your journey.


Yeah. So you can find me all across social and never skip brunch. And that's like if you want to follow along with like the DIY tutorials hands on or just watch me make things sometimes entertaining when things go wrong way weigh in on. And then you can find the podcast and make space podcasts dot com and across really anywhere you get your podcast. But yeah, I'd love to connect. Come follow along. Yeah.


And I will have all of that linked in the show notes so they can just scroll down, click on those and follow along with all of your fun DIY projects and exciting things you have going on. Well thank you care so much. I appreciate this was really fun and have a great day.


Thank you. This was so much fun. Talk to you soon. Another huge thank you to care for taking time out of her day to chat with us and share all of her tips and expertise.


I hope it inspired you to find a space in your home that you can make your own, whether that is a space for creating, whether that's a space for business or just a space for you to have some me time, some time where you're away from the chaos of life and kids and spouses and everything that's going on the world right now. And it's just a space where you can relax, listen to your favorite podcast or read a good book, listen to some music, drink a glass of wine, whatever the case may be.


I hope that you are able to have something in your space that allows you to feel creative, inspired and relaxed. So thank you again to care for all of her amazing, amazing tips and advice. All right, guys. Don't forget to head over to i-Tunes and leave us a little birthday present review for our one year birthday here at Grauman's Business. Thank you so much for tuning in again this week. I hope you are doing well. I hope you're not going crazy just yet.


Please get outdoors. If you can get some fresh air, get some exercise, do something to help maintain your mental stability, because I know that can be really challenging right now as we are all feeling isolated and alone and anxious and all of the things. If you need anything or you are just looking for somebody to connect with, please let me know. You can send me an email over at Grob means business. G-mail dot com. You can head over to the Grumman's was a Facebook group and connect with some of the amazing women in there.


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